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Obama has done well for his work so far. He hasn't screwed up that bad like previous presidents. So he is on my good side for now.
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I'm not racist, but I hate Obama. His ideas are just stupid, and all of them will back-fire.
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Like him. He's a great president and hes the first black! Which is amazing.
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im not sure about him, ok hes black but who cares this has nthing to do with politics does it? No. However im not sure about obama at this point because he hasn't really done anything major although i can understand that since he has only been for a few months but whats with him changing the taxes everyone should be given a fair amount that they have to give away? He also hasn't many accomplishments either and there's not much content in his speeches. He explains what he will change however does not explain how he will change it and how it will be brought. Although he's being a good president right now and is not taking any drastic measures of any sort and has been keeping peace so far so i appreciate that he keeps the place steady.
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System wrote:I'm not racist, but I hate Obama. His ideas are just stupid, and all of them will back-fire.


oh yes closing a prison that is against all of what America stands for and fixing the economy are definetly stupid :/
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He's trying really hard, but his campaign progress is rather sluggish. Still he's kept most of the promises, so that's a plus.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

There's some pretty major promises in the list of broken promises. Let's just hope he'll do good in the end. Oh wait I'm Canadian, I hope he fucks up!

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I think that he has done a good job, and yes, some of his plans will backfire but It will all turn out good right?
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mikezike wrote:
System wrote:I'm not racist, but I hate Obama. His ideas are just stupid, and all of them will back-fire.


oh yes closing a prison that is against all of what America stands for and fixing the economy are definetly stupid :/

You have got to admit the whole Guantanamo Prison thing was kinda dumb though, because we had Prisoners of War, etc. in that prison and we don't know if they were released or not...if this is the case, then we'll have problems with them coming into our country doing some drastic things like bombings and all.
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Not even America is stupid enough to let apparently guilty men go without monitoring them.

And I disagree, removing a prison that breaks the values your country was founded on is by no mean a "dumb move".
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Chimaera wrote:And I disagree, removing a prison that breaks the values your country was founded on is by no mean a "dumb move".


Some values aren't practical; some need to be abandoned in time of war in favor of security. At those times, a country's image doesn't matter.
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Mitchewawa wrote:
Chimaera wrote:And I disagree, removing a prison that breaks the values your country was founded on is by no mean a "dumb move".


Some values aren't practical; some need to be abandoned in time of war in favor of security. At those times, a country's image doesn't matter.

Rofl, that's the excuse and logic that leads to the majority of atrocities of war. That "ends justify the means" logic is not a good thing. If you start bending the rules, they will continue to be bent until they are warped into something radical. Nothing good has come in the past from restricting civil liberties and violating human rights during war and nothing good will come of it now. You'd think we would've learned by now.
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SuperSTi5 wrote:
Mitchewawa wrote:
Chimaera wrote:And I disagree, removing a prison that breaks the values your country was founded on is by no mean a "dumb move".


Some values aren't practical; some need to be abandoned in time of war in favor of security. At those times, a country's image doesn't matter.

Rofl, that's the excuse and logic that leads to the majority of atrocities of war. That "ends justify the means" logic is not a good thing. If you start bending the rules, they will continue to be bent until they are warped into something radical. Nothing good has come in the past from restricting civil liberties and violating human rights during war and nothing good will come of it now. You'd think we would've learned by now.


People's, nay, all animal's instincts, are to be desperate when backed into a corner. When it's YOUR people who are in trouble it is fine to be desperate. When you are winning however, morals are needed.

What we pin as 'atrocities of war' are actions not done out of desperation. I don't think people are angry at General Custer's use of horses as meat shields during his last stand. I don't hear people complaining how the Jews that captured Germans killed them with knives. It's neccissary evil, not what mankind pins as real evil.

For example: You are stuck on a desert island with 3 other people and no food and one of them dies. Do you eat him out of desperation? Of course you do!

What we pin as 'atrocities of war' is people being relentless, ruthless, even though they were winning anyway. It's unneccisary evil, and THAT is what we pin as real evil.

For example: You are in a city and have plenty of food. Someone in the room next to you dies. Do you eat him? No, as you don't need to.

Rules need to be bent for the sake of you country's safety. Morals too. I wouldn't be afraid to break the sacred rule of 'Do not kill' when I am held at gunpoint.
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