Depends what kind of games you are talking about. But If its violence, then...

It depends on your attitude when you play. If you play because you love splattering blood and breaking bones, then there is a problem. If you play because you enjoy challenge and the violence adds a realistic edge to the game, then its fine, and can help people be less naive about the atrocities of war.

So..

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Also Damon, your attitude towards science seems flawed. I've noticed
it in many of your posts, but ill just one use in my current post.

DAMON wrote:

Bonerific wrote:Lawl. But anyways, video games can affect young minds, such can TV and movies, but there are worse things for kids than video games.

There's no real scientific evidence that proves that. So why should I take your word for it?

Science isn't everything, Damon. And for what science can't prove, science cannot prove anything 100%. It cannot prove, that you are not plugged into the Matrix, so is that to say you aren't? Also science cannot prove that murder is wrong either.

Vypeira wrote:Depends what kind of games you are talking about. But If its violence, then...

It depends on your attitude when you play. If you play because you love splattering blood and breaking bones, then there is a problem. If you play because you enjoy challenge and the violence adds a realistic edge to the game, then its fine, and can help people be less naive about the atrocities of war.

So..

Not true. I thoroughly enjoy "splattering blood and breaking bones" when I'm playing a video game. It gives me great satisfaction to violently murder someone in a game. That doesn't mean I'm about to go on a killing spree.
Psychology is more complicated than you make it out to be.

Vypeira wrote:Depends what kind of games you are talking about. But If its violence, then...

It depends on your attitude when you play. If you play because you love splattering blood and breaking bones, then there is a problem. If you play because you enjoy challenge and the violence adds a realistic edge to the game, then its fine, and can help people be less naive about the atrocities of war.

So..

I have to agree with Damon on this one, I too enjoy splattering blood and breaking bones, but not in real life. Nor does playing it in a video game make me want to do it either. And the types of games with breaking bones and splattering blood can also prove to be good stress relievers for kids if they're enraged. Or in Damon's case, feeling apocalyptic.

I kid the Damon of course.

You can all act like psychology majors and hypothesize all you want. However, it comes down to the facts. And the fact is, youth violence is decreasing. Kids aren't going on killing sprees. I honestly do not feel like going out and running around like a cowboy shooting people with a revolver because I just played Red Dead Redemption. The facts show that there is no correlation between fantasy violence, and real world violence. It may seem counterintuitive, however that is the reality of it.

Example: myself. I've been exposed to a probably unusual amount of violent media. This is starting from when I was like 2, when I would sit on my dad's lap and watch him play Doom. Later when I was around 7 or 8, I absolutely loved Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. I watched them over and over again; all the bloody, violent killing. Let's see, I also loved this game "Carmageddon," which consisted exclusively of running people over and blowing up other cars. I was then obsessed with Diablo II when I was 10 or 11, which is filled with all sorts of satanic influences and violence. And from then to now I've played violent video games pretty constantly. I should be some sort of sadistic homicidal cultist right? Well I'm 17 now, and have never even gotten into a fist fight, which is I'm sure more than most people can say.

I honestly understand why people could think that violent media causes violence. It's at a first glance intuitive that simulated killing would lead to real killing. However, there's obviously a lot more behind it, and I honestly don't understand why people can't see the discrepancy between their hypothesis, and their observations.

Not every kid has the same mental stability as everyone else and may be influenced differently by video games. So yea, it call comes down to brain chemistry and no definitive answer can be given because of all the variables that come into play.

Arguably that means their defective brain is bad for them, not the game.

DAMON wrote:Arguably that means their defective brain is bad for them, not the game.

Precisely, video games aren't the problem, lack of mental health is.
Making a reference to a line from ME2: If you buy a gun and kill somebody, you don't blame the gun for his death.

Vypeira wrote:Science isn't everything, Damon. And for what science can't prove, science cannot prove anything 100%. It cannot prove, that you are not plugged into the Matrix, so is that to say you aren't? Also science cannot prove that murder is wrong either.

I'm glad you've taken philosophy 101 and all, but don't expect me to take you serious with this tired, trite bullshit. The thing is, you're asserting your opinion as fact, and I'm saying I don't have to acknowledge your opinion at all unless you back it up. And the one thing you could convincingly back your points up with is science. Best run back to your philosophy class now, I'm sure your fellow 15-year-olds will be impressed by how "deep"you are.

Vypeira wrote:Science isn't everything, Damon. And for what science can't prove, science cannot prove anything 100%. It cannot prove, that you are not plugged into the Matrix, so is that to say you aren't? Also science cannot prove that murder is wrong either.

Does science have to prove anything 100%? No. Is murder wrong? Depends on YOUR morality(and value is of course a human concept so we really don't have any universal value. Therefor science doesn't have to prove that killing is "Wrong"). Are we plugged into a matrix? Most likely not(Occam's razor, google it.)

I can scientifically prove that I'm drinking coca cola, there is always a small but highly unlikely chance that the cola is only in my mind because I'm in a matrix but it is irrelevant . There is a set of assumptions everyone has, the main one is that we assume that we exist and so do the people around us.

So in order to make sure something is real we ask the people around us to replicate our results, sort of like we can all feel a certain object is soft, that's basically science. You should really just answer Damon's question or just apologize for being a stupid prick(or however you want to phrase it) and spare the humiliation.

I've been gaming and exposed to mature games for the better part of ten years, I don't think video games have affected me in a somewhat deep level. I've been splattering blood and breaking bones since I was a toddler and I grew up thinking it was acceptable. I also don't think that video games can become a part of yourself and carry on into your later years unless you are very weak-minded, or too young. If the kids are affected negatively by the game, then it's the parents' fault (the ESRB rating system isn't there for nothing). And I agree with SuperSTi, there is no correlation between fantasy violence and real world violence.

fuk no lol i love video games and i think they rock , most video games , if played at the right age at the right time are actally good for kida , but letting a 3 year old play bio shock 2 is just stupid and forcing a teenager to play "lets learn with leap!" is just out disgusting

Honest to god, if you play a violent video game (ex. Call of Duty) and you decide it would be a great idea to try and replicate what you just saw. Then the person obviously has some mental disorder.

I cannot see the true harm in video games. Seriously, if you think a video games language is going to turn you into a abusive cursing idiot, than your wrong. Take a look at anyone in their 30's, 40's. I'm sure the good portion of these people curse on a daily basis. And they didn't have video games back in the 70's, 80's, at least to the extent we have them today.

But, a parent whose trying to ban games such as 'Call of Duty' then you need to take a step back and find the real problem. You. If your kid is a foul language, killing obsessed person, then you need to actually do something about it, not blame the damned game. For god sake, you bought the game for your kid. (Given' your kid isn't 17+)

Poptart wrote:Honest to god, if you play a violent video game (ex. Call of Duty) and you decide it would be a great idea to try and replicate what you just saw. Then the person obviously has some mental disorder.

Well obviously. But what if the person with the mental disorder had no trigger??? Then he wouldn't kill ANYONE! Wow it's a miracle!

Poptart wrote:I cannot see the true harm in video games. Seriously, if you think a video games language is going to turn you into a abusive cursing idiot, than your wrong. Take a look at anyone in their 30's, 40's. I'm sure the good portion of these people curse on a daily basis. And they didn't have video games back in the 70's, 80's, at least to the extent we have them today.

Actually no-one in my family ever swears, so that's that theory of yours debunked >_>
Also, some of my friends who play violent video games actually do swear, and I pray for them every night, just like I pray for people like you (I'm not forcing my religion onto you). Whereas my moral friends who don't play violent video games don't actually swear.

Poptart wrote:But, a parent whose trying to ban games such as 'Call of Duty' then you need to take a step back and find the real problem. You. If your kid is a foul language, killing obsessed person, then you need to actually do something about it, not blame the damned game. For god sake, you bought the game for your kid. (Given' your kid isn't 17+)

Any game promoting war and violence should be banned, regardless of the impact in puts on young peoples' minds!
Well that last part isn't always true; Some kids get random homeless people to buy games for them.


Anyway, I hope you can see my point of you, and hopefully you have agreed with me a little after reading this.

Pivot Cooldude wrote:

Poptart wrote:Honest to god, if you play a violent video game (ex. Call of Duty) and you decide it would be a great idea to try and replicate what you just saw. Then the person obviously has some mental disorder.

Well obviously. But what if the person with the mental disorder had no trigger??? Then he wouldn't kill ANYONE! Wow it's a miracle!

Poptart wrote:I cannot see the true harm in video games. Seriously, if you think a video games language is going to turn you into a abusive cursing idiot, than your wrong. Take a look at anyone in their 30's, 40's. I'm sure the good portion of these people curse on a daily basis. And they didn't have video games back in the 70's, 80's, at least to the extent we have them today.

Actually no-one in my family ever swears, so that's that theory of yours debunked >_>
Also, some of my friends who play violent video games actually do swear, and I pray for them every night, just like I pray for people like you (I'm not forcing my religion onto you). Whereas my moral friends who don't play violent video games don't actually swear.

Poptart wrote:But, a parent whose trying to ban games such as 'Call of Duty' then you need to take a step back and find the real problem. You. If your kid is a foul language, killing obsessed person, then you need to actually do something about it, not blame the damned game. For god sake, you bought the game for your kid. (Given' your kid isn't 17+)

Any game promoting war and violence should be banned, regardless of the impact in puts on young peoples' minds!
Well that last part isn't always true; Some kids get random homeless people to buy games for them.


Anyway, I hope you can see my point of you, and hopefully you have agreed with me a little after reading this.

I curse a lot, i masturbate, i intend on having sex before marriage and i play violent video games on an unhealthy level - The Christian nightmare! D:!!!


But seriously though, what the fuck. Show me one video game that says "HEY GUIS WAR IS GREAT!!! :D :D :D". Are you saying that every game that has war in it should be banned? Cause i think that is retarded! What the fuck gives you the right to take someones video games? People obviously enjoy them, and just because you think its terribly impolite to shoot a bot/online player in the face repeatedly it gives you no right to simply outlaw it. If i had all my opinions put into law i would have had religions/Pseudo scientific practices outlawed a long time ago, punishable by death or torture, Depends.


Let me apply your logic to computers. I think computers should be banned, regardless of the impact it puts into the minds of young people. Any objections?


Ultimately you're an idiot and you should probably back your opinions up or get the fuck out of the debate area.

I think they're good at a certain degree. As in, if a kid is TOO addicted and is TOO influenced by a game, that's when it's bad. But it all depends.