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P2k wrote:^While I do agree on equal rights, I don't think women should be drafted in to the army.

This is a case where it simply makes more sense for men to go because of how we're made (I'm not only talking about us being stronger, which is of course a point in it's own). Women are needed to birth children, one man can impregnate as many women as he wants whenever he wants - a woman has to wait almost an entire year.

Imagine the population problems we would have faced if all women were drafted to war in WW2 rather than men.

Although it does piss me off a bit, it makes sense in that scenario.

Yup, I totally agree. While some "discriminations" are absurd, there is reason behind them. I think that women should have the choice to fight if they want. However being drafted would just cause way more problems than it's worth to preserve "equality".
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Nonononono. You guys don't get it.

The whole difference between men and women is: women have periods. Give a woman a gun on her period and she's unstoppable. This would make an unstoppable soldier once a month, if you get enough women in the army, you'll have lots of unstoppable women every day of the month!

So yeah, equal rights ftw!
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Caleb wrote:Nonononono. You guys don't get it.

The whole difference between men and women is: women have periods. Give a woman a gun on her period and she's unstoppable. This would make an unstoppable soldier once a month, if you get enough women in the army, you'll have lots of unstoppable women every day of the month!

So yeah, equal rights ftw!

There's a flaw to that, since studies show that when more women are together, their periods start following the same schedule.
Yes I realize you said it as a joke.
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Strider wrote:
Caleb wrote:Nonononono. You guys don't get it.

The whole difference between men and women is: women have periods. Give a woman a gun on her period and she's unstoppable. This would make an unstoppable soldier once a month, if you get enough women in the army, you'll have lots of unstoppable women every day of the month!

So yeah, equal rights ftw!

There's a flaw to that, since studies show that when more women are together, their periods start following the same schedule.
Yes I realize you said it as a joke.

How lucky we are we decided to divide the army in squads :).

...now let's stop until it actually gets a serious point in here haha.
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I think that feminist extremists do not count as feminists. After all, if you are a feminist you are in a way an advocate of equal rights, and to exceed the boundaries of equality is surely not equal at all, right? So AmazingAtheist's video doesn't really apply to actual feminists.

Like a few people have said, women and men have some different physical traits, as well as some minor differences in cognitive performance in certain tasks and situations. However, this shouldn't affect what is offered to people. Men and women should get the same opportunities, but be encouraged to do work that suits their abilities. The male vs female bricklayer is a good example.

Of course, this brings up the question 'how much of a difference in pay or emphasis should be put on gender roles?' I'd argue the bare minimum, such that the pay differences are more of a pleasant extra as opposed to a serious margin, and the emphasis is in subtle actions like workplace arrangement and advertising. Since a lot of people in this day and age have this weird hatred of gender roles like they're still oppressive tools of society, it's probably not a good idea to go any further than that.

The only real problem is payment differences and gender roles have the potential to be abused. In Australia, I've been told of less qualified women being hired in business scenarios over more qualified men without any real grounds. The speculation is that these women sort of act as evidence that the business is 'gender neutral'. This isn't a conventional gender role, but has sort of turned women in the workplace into 'morality tokens' of a sort.

So ironically, this aggressive need for equal treatment has actually created a new inequality in employment. I think. I can't source any evidence on this, so I might just be regurgitating factoids.
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Feminism is a pile of crap, they are women basically taking on communist theories, such as equality for all and such. Yet if they think about it communism failed, why would the result be any different when its a bunch of women campaigning for near enough the same thing any one that they want? Can anyone see what i am getting at here? Because my freaking history teacher doesnt!
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PsychoNoiz wrote:Feminism is a pile of crap, they are women basically taking on communist theories, such as equality for all and such. Yet if they think about it communism failed, why would the result be any different when its a bunch of women campaigning for near enough the same thing any one that they want? Can anyone see what i am getting at here? Because my freaking history teacher doesnt!

So because communism didn't work out, feminism automatically fails too? Nope, I don't think I can agree with that. I think equality is pretty important, women are just as human as men, there's no reason to objectify someone, because that person happens to have a vagina. According to your logic, we can just discriminate immigrants, because communism failed?
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Lympha wrote:
PsychoNoiz wrote:Feminism is a pile of crap, they are women basically taking on communist theories, such as equality for all and such. Yet if they think about it communism failed, why would the result be any different when its a bunch of women campaigning for near enough the same thing any one that they want? Can anyone see what i am getting at here? Because my freaking history teacher doesnt!

So because communism didn't work out, feminism automatically fails too? Nope, I don't think I can agree with that. I think equality is pretty important, women are just as human as men, there's no reason to objectify someone, because that person happens to have a vagina. According to your logic, we can just discriminate immigrants, because communism failed?


No it doesnt automatically fail but i belive that it will in the future, i persoannly have nothing against women wanting equality but i believe that they are going aboutnit the wrong way. I do not see in anyway that women are less human than men, and i dont belive in discrimination against anyone just because they are different, my argument was meant to point out that i belive that the way that omen are trying to get equality is the wrong way.
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PsychoNoiz wrote:
Lympha wrote:
PsychoNoiz wrote:Feminism is a pile of crap, they are women basically taking on communist theories, such as equality for all and such. Yet if they think about it communism failed, why would the result be any different when its a bunch of women campaigning for near enough the same thing any one that they want? Can anyone see what i am getting at here? Because my freaking history teacher doesnt!

So because communism didn't work out, feminism automatically fails too? Nope, I don't think I can agree with that. I think equality is pretty important, women are just as human as men, there's no reason to objectify someone, because that person happens to have a vagina. According to your logic, we can just discriminate immigrants, because communism failed?


No it doesnt automatically fail but i belive that it will in the future, i persoannly have nothing against women wanting equality but i believe that they are going aboutnit the wrong way. I do not see in anyway that women are less human than men, and i dont belive in discrimination against anyone just because they are different, my argument was meant to point out that i belive that the way that omen are trying to get equality is the wrong way.

Communism is a political ideology that requires constant strict social and economic moderation, as well as a hard-to-maintain nonhierarchical voting system (for true communism, not Stalinist communism). All of these factors are extremely fragile, which is why communism usually fails. Asking to be treated fairly is not promoting a communist ideology, but just a request of your basic rights.
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PsychoNoiz wrote:No it doesnt automatically fail but i belive that it will in the future, i persoannly have nothing against women wanting equality but i believe that they are going aboutnit the wrong way. I do not see in anyway that women are less human than men, and i dont belive in discrimination against anyone just because they are different, my argument was meant to point out that i belive that the way that omen are trying to get equality is the wrong way.


The ideals of traditional feminism are surrounded by a desire to be equal to men. Traditional feminism, however, has all but faded into the background to be replaced by radical feminism, which is what is most often on display through the media and public protests (and what you may have seen and labeled as "the wrong way" to go about equalism).

Most radical feminists tend to side with views that are often associated with the oppression of men through affirmative action policies as well as extreme political correctness. Some real-life examples that I've personally experienced are women being offended by a man (or even another woman) opening a door for them, women repulsed by the thought of being referenced to as "ladies," and the claim that studies done on the physical strength of women vs. the physical strength of men with results favoring the latter are all fabricated by male researchers.

Of course, traditional feminists do exist, but they go more by the term "equalist" in order to be set apart from what people now define as the modern feminist.

Women in America are also vastly misrepresented by "feminist" organizations. NOW, the National Organization for Women, has a member count that consists of 500,000 members. That's only 1.2% of females aged 20-39 (circa 2010); knowing that there may be some men also signed up for NOW, that is a staggering misrepresentation of American women, much less the American people.
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Kind of bumping around topics here, but I just want to ask.

Is it really that morally incorrect to hit a girl? I kind of ask myself this now because I came across this video.



In this case the guy doesn't even fight back, and everyone on the bus was saying, "Don't you hit back". Is this what women want? To be treated as equals? Everyone knows if that guy laid a finger on that woman, in a harmful manner he would have gotten jail time, hell even if he restrained her in any sort of way, he would have come off as the attacker.

Thanks society, even in a clearly vicious attack, where all morals and roles of society are blatantly disregarded, we go ahead and pretend otherwise simply because it's 'correct'.

Feminism is discrimination, and hypocrisy, and not just in regards to this video, in every regard.

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If I was sat on the bus and a woman started kicking me in the head I'd hit her. A lot of people would disagree with me but I have a right to defend myself and you don't have to be a 300lb bodybuilder to hurt someone with a kick.
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Yadda wrote:Kind of bumping around topics here, but I just want to ask.

Is it really that morally incorrect to hit a girl? I kind of ask myself this now because I came across this video.



In this case the guy doesn't even fight back, and everyone on the bus was saying, "Don't you hit back". Is this what women want? To be treated as equals? Everyone knows if that guy laid a finger on that woman, in a harmful manner he would have gotten jail time, hell even if he restrained her in any sort of way, he would have come off as the attacker.

Thanks society, even in a clearly vicious attack, where all morals and roles of society are blatantly disregarded, we go ahead and pretend otherwise simply because it's 'correct'.

Feminism is discrimination, and hypocrisy, and not just in regards to this video, in every regard.


I suppose you mean modern/radical feminism because that is definitely not what traditional feminism is. Unfortunately, radical feminists have morphed the ideal and original definition of feminism (which is defined as "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men" NOT oppression.)

A lot of traditional feminists would actually argue this case in your favor, saying that political and economic equality should be fought for, but socially on the grounds of interaction, there are obvious lines that cannot be crossed based on studies done on the strength of men vs. the strength of women. Men tend to lash out with a strength they are not aware of and also tend to be physically stronger than women.

Many radical feminists (in my experience) on the other hand, would WANT him to fight back because they would find it disgusting (notice that the girlfriend was calling him a pussy the entire time) that a man doesn't consider a woman to be an "equal" opponent.

I believe the sentence should be dependent on the damage received by both parties, regardless of gender.
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http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8564552

Alyounes admitted that before they even got on the train she pushed her boyfriend off the platform while a train was approaching.

She also pleaded guilty to resisting arrest after she got off the train.
She's expected to spend 120 days in jail.


she pushed her boyfriend off the platform while a train was approaching.

She also pleaded guilty to resisting arrest after she got off the train.

She's expected to spend 120 days in jail.


This world is fucking shit.
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BEEPIMATRUCKLOL wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8564552

Alyounes admitted that before they even got on the train she pushed her boyfriend off the platform while a train was approaching.

She also pleaded guilty to resisting arrest after she got off the train.
She's expected to spend 120 days in jail.


she pushed her boyfriend off the platform while a train was approaching.

She also pleaded guilty to resisting arrest after she got off the train.

She's expected to spend 120 days in jail.


This world is fucking shit.


Double standards suck. Pushing someone upon the oncoming of a train..wouldn't that count towards attempted murder? Or even manslaughter?

If you want to talk about the hypocrisy of most radical feminists, the way they condemn strippers is also disgusting.
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